How to get a Skyline in America
09-16-2005, 04:35 AM
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How to get a Skyline in America
Most of you have probaly already seen this. Thought I might as well post it though.
How to Get One of the Most Desirable Sports Cars in the World
By: John Pearley Huffman
Date Posted 05-19-2005
When you think "gray-market" cars, European exotics usually come to mind first. Back in the 1970s, the only way an American could get a Ferrari 512 BB or a Lamborghini Countach into his garage was to have a converter slip it under the government's emissions-control radar. In the 1980s and 1990s, however, it was German machinery like the Porsche 959 and a Mercedes-Benz Gelandewagen that became the automotive forbidden fruit of the moment.
Today, it's the turbocharged, all-wheel-drive Nissan Skyline GT-R that's the darling of the gray-marketers. The right-hand-drive-only supercar, which Nissan has never sent to America, sits atop the Japanese performance pyramid. It's the standard to which the Subaru Impreza WRX STi and Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX aspire. It's the obsession of tuner magazines, and it's the car all those tweaked Hondas are pretending to be.
But gray-market cars have always been fraught with risk. "We're flattered by the enthusiasm," said Nissan spokesman Dean Case when asked about gray-market imports of the Skyline GT-R, "but Nissan isn't supporting the car in this market." That means parts and service will be an improvisational challenge for anyone who wants to drive one in America. A factory warranty? Forget it.
Despite this, a trickle of Skylines has made it into the United States. In fact, buying one can be as simple as typing "Skyline for sale" into Google and writing a chunky-sized check. And if you're lucky it'll even be a legit and legal car. If you're lucky.
But there's also a less risky way to get your hands on a Skyline. Read on.
The Ones to Want
Nissan built the first Skyline GT-R way back in 1969, but it didn't ascend to its throne until the eighth-generation Skyline ("R32") debuted in 1989 and the GT-R was endowed with a spectacular straight-six engine and world-beating chassis.
The new 2.6-liter double-overhead-cam 24-valve six engorged by twin turbochargers was rated throughout the car's life at 280 horsepower. But that figure was only there to satisfy Japanese government engine-output regulations — it more likely made somewhere near 330 hp. And it didn't take much to boost that to 400 hp or beyond. Well beyond.
The new chassis carried an all-independent suspension, all-wheel drive and Nissan's Super HICAS electronic four-wheel steering system. Taking the power from a rather conventional five-speed manual transmission, the "ATTESA E-TS Electronic Torque Split 4WD System" varied the distribution of torque from 100 percent to the rear all the way to 50/50 front and rear. Complex? Absolutely.
By 1993, the slightly larger and more luxurious R33 was in production. The R33 was clearly an evolution, and carried the best stuff of the R32's engine and drivetrain. But GT-R fans felt the R33 was too big, so Nissan retightened the car's dimensions and sharpened its styling to create the "R34" Skyline GT-R for 1998. Again clearly evolutionary, the R34 retained most of the drivetrain with the addition of a Getrag six-speed transmission. The R34 left production in 2003.
Demand and respect for the R34 is still so high in Japan that Nissan's performance arm NISMO recently bought back 20 slightly used R34 GT-R V-Specs to completely rebuild into the ultimate GT-R: the Z-Tune. For about $170,000 the Z-Tune offers 500 hp, fortified suspension and drivetrain, carbon-fiber bodywork, and disc brakes the diameter of a sumo wrestling ring. Designed as the ultimate street-going vehicle, NISMO claims a Z-Tune will crush through a quarter-mile in just 10.6 seconds on street tires. That would make it the hardest accelerating "production" car ever.
In America, though, the R34's highest profile came in that 2003 cinematic classic 2 Fast 2 Furious where actor Paul Walker's character drove one. During filming, the actor was so impressed with the car he bought himself a 2001 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec II. And then he spent a fortune exaggerating its abilities with the dozens of aftermarket components available for the car from Japan. And if Paul Walker can get one, so can you.
How to Buy One
Most Skylines in America ultimately come from Motorex in Torrance, California. Nissan never exported any Skylines to the United States, so a few had to be sacrificed to prove their crashworthiness to the Department of Transportation (DOT), and it's Motorex that did that testing. It's been applying what it's learned to producing DOT-approved Skyline GT-Rs ever since and has put somewhere between 170 and 180 on America's roads, says General Manager Quincy Yamada.
The conversion process is straightforward, explains Sean Morris, who used to work for Motorex before opening his own shop, RB Motoring specializing in Skylines. "The biggest thing was proving to the DOT that they were crashworthy," he says. Getting the car's emissions in line takes some work, but it's doable. Then there are dozens of details like making sure all the labels and identification numbers on the car conform to standards that go into making a car strictly legal.
A few less-than-strictly-legal Skylines have snuck into the U.S. and registered. But if law enforcement catches up with one, it's likely to be confiscated and exported — or worse. If you want to import a GT-R yourself, be prepared to learn all the intricacies of certification that a company like Motorex already knows. And Motorex isn't sharing its knowledge.
But if you're determined to go it alone, start with the Web sites of the federal agencies with which you'll be dealing: The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the Environmental Protection Agency and U.S. Customs. All three are packed with information on importing vehicles, but none make the task appear less than daunting.
What It's Like to Own One
Just remember, there's nothing more tempting than forbidden fruit, but there are always risks when you bite into an exotic apple.
"My biggest challenge was the difficulty of getting the DMV in the state of Ohio to issue a title to a non-standard VIN number," explains Kyle Bacon, 33, of Columbus and the owner of a 1995 R33. "They just couldn't handle a VIN that had dashes in it. They needed a 13-digit number without any special characters. So we took out some dashes and added some zeroes."
Fortunately while the Skyline GT-R is a unique vehicle, it's not so exotic that no parts interchange with Nissans sold in America. "I haven't had any problem with parts," says Bacon. "A lot of filters and stuff can be substituted with items originally sold here for cars like the 300ZX Twin Turbo. RB Motoring has cross-referencing information that it provides. Of course it's not like I can wreck the car and just go pull a body panel out of the junkyard. And I can't expect to ask the Nissan dealer for a titanium exhaust for a Skyline and expect them to have it in stock."
For Bacon and other buyers, the most serious challenge is dealing with driving a right-hand-drive car in left-hand-drive America. "If you're not paying attention, you wind up driving down the center of the road," Bacon says. "I scuffed up the left-side rims when I was parking. And the turn signals and windshield wiper stalks are reversed so that when you click on the turn signals you wind up turning on the wipers."
Ultimately, though, Bacon has found the car very satisfying. "I had built my old car, an RX-7, to be a 600-hp beast," he says, "and I wanted my next car to be an 800-hp beast. I looked at a three-rotor version of the Mazda and the Toyota Supra. But I knew I'd have trouble with traction. I wanted all-wheel drive and that's what led me to the Skyline."
The GT-R That's Coming
Motorex has such a large backlog of cars already in its shop that it has stopped importing Skylines until it's caught up. It does have a few used GT-Rs for sale (R32s and R33s ranging from about $48,000 to $72,000, with the R34s going for around $95,000), but all the R32, R33 and R34 GT-Rs that will ever come to America may already be here. But this isn't the end of the GT-R story.
In Japan, the current Skyline two-door is the car known as the Infiniti G35 Coupe in America, and there is a GT-R version coming. Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn has promised that this GT-R will be exported to the United States. It's about time.
Strongly rumored to debut in production form at the 2007 Tokyo Motor Show, the "V35" GT-R will likely use a twin-turbo version of Nissan's often lauded VQ-Series, DOHC, 24-valve V6 displacing somewhere between 2.8 and 3.5 liters and making power at least comparable to the gray-market engine feeding a new all-wheel-drive system. And unlike every previous GT-R, this one will be produced with left-hand drive. Don't expect the "Skyline" name to make it over to this country, though, as it will likely be called the Infiniti GT-R.
Will the next GT-R make anyone forget its predecessors? No. But buying a new one at any Infiniti dealer may make the hassle of importing an older one less attractive.
But don't count on it.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=105699
How to Get One of the Most Desirable Sports Cars in the World
By: John Pearley Huffman
Date Posted 05-19-2005
When you think "gray-market" cars, European exotics usually come to mind first. Back in the 1970s, the only way an American could get a Ferrari 512 BB or a Lamborghini Countach into his garage was to have a converter slip it under the government's emissions-control radar. In the 1980s and 1990s, however, it was German machinery like the Porsche 959 and a Mercedes-Benz Gelandewagen that became the automotive forbidden fruit of the moment.
Today, it's the turbocharged, all-wheel-drive Nissan Skyline GT-R that's the darling of the gray-marketers. The right-hand-drive-only supercar, which Nissan has never sent to America, sits atop the Japanese performance pyramid. It's the standard to which the Subaru Impreza WRX STi and Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX aspire. It's the obsession of tuner magazines, and it's the car all those tweaked Hondas are pretending to be.
But gray-market cars have always been fraught with risk. "We're flattered by the enthusiasm," said Nissan spokesman Dean Case when asked about gray-market imports of the Skyline GT-R, "but Nissan isn't supporting the car in this market." That means parts and service will be an improvisational challenge for anyone who wants to drive one in America. A factory warranty? Forget it.
Despite this, a trickle of Skylines has made it into the United States. In fact, buying one can be as simple as typing "Skyline for sale" into Google and writing a chunky-sized check. And if you're lucky it'll even be a legit and legal car. If you're lucky.
But there's also a less risky way to get your hands on a Skyline. Read on.
The Ones to Want
Nissan built the first Skyline GT-R way back in 1969, but it didn't ascend to its throne until the eighth-generation Skyline ("R32") debuted in 1989 and the GT-R was endowed with a spectacular straight-six engine and world-beating chassis.
The new 2.6-liter double-overhead-cam 24-valve six engorged by twin turbochargers was rated throughout the car's life at 280 horsepower. But that figure was only there to satisfy Japanese government engine-output regulations — it more likely made somewhere near 330 hp. And it didn't take much to boost that to 400 hp or beyond. Well beyond.
The new chassis carried an all-independent suspension, all-wheel drive and Nissan's Super HICAS electronic four-wheel steering system. Taking the power from a rather conventional five-speed manual transmission, the "ATTESA E-TS Electronic Torque Split 4WD System" varied the distribution of torque from 100 percent to the rear all the way to 50/50 front and rear. Complex? Absolutely.
By 1993, the slightly larger and more luxurious R33 was in production. The R33 was clearly an evolution, and carried the best stuff of the R32's engine and drivetrain. But GT-R fans felt the R33 was too big, so Nissan retightened the car's dimensions and sharpened its styling to create the "R34" Skyline GT-R for 1998. Again clearly evolutionary, the R34 retained most of the drivetrain with the addition of a Getrag six-speed transmission. The R34 left production in 2003.
Demand and respect for the R34 is still so high in Japan that Nissan's performance arm NISMO recently bought back 20 slightly used R34 GT-R V-Specs to completely rebuild into the ultimate GT-R: the Z-Tune. For about $170,000 the Z-Tune offers 500 hp, fortified suspension and drivetrain, carbon-fiber bodywork, and disc brakes the diameter of a sumo wrestling ring. Designed as the ultimate street-going vehicle, NISMO claims a Z-Tune will crush through a quarter-mile in just 10.6 seconds on street tires. That would make it the hardest accelerating "production" car ever.
In America, though, the R34's highest profile came in that 2003 cinematic classic 2 Fast 2 Furious where actor Paul Walker's character drove one. During filming, the actor was so impressed with the car he bought himself a 2001 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec II. And then he spent a fortune exaggerating its abilities with the dozens of aftermarket components available for the car from Japan. And if Paul Walker can get one, so can you.
How to Buy One
Most Skylines in America ultimately come from Motorex in Torrance, California. Nissan never exported any Skylines to the United States, so a few had to be sacrificed to prove their crashworthiness to the Department of Transportation (DOT), and it's Motorex that did that testing. It's been applying what it's learned to producing DOT-approved Skyline GT-Rs ever since and has put somewhere between 170 and 180 on America's roads, says General Manager Quincy Yamada.
The conversion process is straightforward, explains Sean Morris, who used to work for Motorex before opening his own shop, RB Motoring specializing in Skylines. "The biggest thing was proving to the DOT that they were crashworthy," he says. Getting the car's emissions in line takes some work, but it's doable. Then there are dozens of details like making sure all the labels and identification numbers on the car conform to standards that go into making a car strictly legal.
A few less-than-strictly-legal Skylines have snuck into the U.S. and registered. But if law enforcement catches up with one, it's likely to be confiscated and exported — or worse. If you want to import a GT-R yourself, be prepared to learn all the intricacies of certification that a company like Motorex already knows. And Motorex isn't sharing its knowledge.
But if you're determined to go it alone, start with the Web sites of the federal agencies with which you'll be dealing: The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the Environmental Protection Agency and U.S. Customs. All three are packed with information on importing vehicles, but none make the task appear less than daunting.
What It's Like to Own One
Just remember, there's nothing more tempting than forbidden fruit, but there are always risks when you bite into an exotic apple.
"My biggest challenge was the difficulty of getting the DMV in the state of Ohio to issue a title to a non-standard VIN number," explains Kyle Bacon, 33, of Columbus and the owner of a 1995 R33. "They just couldn't handle a VIN that had dashes in it. They needed a 13-digit number without any special characters. So we took out some dashes and added some zeroes."
Fortunately while the Skyline GT-R is a unique vehicle, it's not so exotic that no parts interchange with Nissans sold in America. "I haven't had any problem with parts," says Bacon. "A lot of filters and stuff can be substituted with items originally sold here for cars like the 300ZX Twin Turbo. RB Motoring has cross-referencing information that it provides. Of course it's not like I can wreck the car and just go pull a body panel out of the junkyard. And I can't expect to ask the Nissan dealer for a titanium exhaust for a Skyline and expect them to have it in stock."
For Bacon and other buyers, the most serious challenge is dealing with driving a right-hand-drive car in left-hand-drive America. "If you're not paying attention, you wind up driving down the center of the road," Bacon says. "I scuffed up the left-side rims when I was parking. And the turn signals and windshield wiper stalks are reversed so that when you click on the turn signals you wind up turning on the wipers."
Ultimately, though, Bacon has found the car very satisfying. "I had built my old car, an RX-7, to be a 600-hp beast," he says, "and I wanted my next car to be an 800-hp beast. I looked at a three-rotor version of the Mazda and the Toyota Supra. But I knew I'd have trouble with traction. I wanted all-wheel drive and that's what led me to the Skyline."
The GT-R That's Coming
Motorex has such a large backlog of cars already in its shop that it has stopped importing Skylines until it's caught up. It does have a few used GT-Rs for sale (R32s and R33s ranging from about $48,000 to $72,000, with the R34s going for around $95,000), but all the R32, R33 and R34 GT-Rs that will ever come to America may already be here. But this isn't the end of the GT-R story.
In Japan, the current Skyline two-door is the car known as the Infiniti G35 Coupe in America, and there is a GT-R version coming. Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn has promised that this GT-R will be exported to the United States. It's about time.
Strongly rumored to debut in production form at the 2007 Tokyo Motor Show, the "V35" GT-R will likely use a twin-turbo version of Nissan's often lauded VQ-Series, DOHC, 24-valve V6 displacing somewhere between 2.8 and 3.5 liters and making power at least comparable to the gray-market engine feeding a new all-wheel-drive system. And unlike every previous GT-R, this one will be produced with left-hand drive. Don't expect the "Skyline" name to make it over to this country, though, as it will likely be called the Infiniti GT-R.
Will the next GT-R make anyone forget its predecessors? No. But buying a new one at any Infiniti dealer may make the hassle of importing an older one less attractive.
But don't count on it.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=105699
09-16-2005, 06:14 PM
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if the monocoque chassis of the 2007/08 GTR is not based upon the current FM plaftorm, it will not be called "V35" as that already exists with the V35 GT350 Skyline.
if anything, they may drop the series designations of 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, and call it something else. or they will call it "....36."
maybe!
if anything, they may drop the series designations of 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, and call it something else. or they will call it "....36."
maybe!
09-16-2005, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bonzelite
if the monocoque chassis of the 2007/08 GTR is not based upon the current FM plaftorm, it will not be called "V35" as that already exists with the V35 GT350 Skyline.
if anything, they may drop the series designations of 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, and call it something else. or they will call it "....36."
maybe!
if anything, they may drop the series designations of 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, and call it something else. or they will call it "....36."
maybe!
09-16-2005, 09:02 PM
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IF it is based upon the V-chassis, it will probably be called V35 GT-R. but it probably will NOT be referred to by it's chassis code if it is an Infiniti.
so all of the millions of articles that refer to it as "V 35 GT-R," and the earlier "R 35," are sort of barking up the wrong tree --the demographic who will buy the GT-R will not care ONE BIT about it's chassis code --already, stateside, Infiniti "incorrectly" calls the Skyline a "G35." the only technical reference in that designation is the "35" part --3.5L. the "G" is bogus. so ALREADY, they have begun to "hide" the car's technical traits from consumers.
for example, if you say "i have an S14," most people who will be able to buy the new GTR will have NO IDEA what you are talking about. even the same here: you say "i have a V35 GT 350," and MOST people who will be able to buy the new GTR will have no idea what that is. so i doubt Infiniti will call the GT-R by it's proper chassis code. why? -nobody will care.
so all of the millions of articles that refer to it as "V 35 GT-R," and the earlier "R 35," are sort of barking up the wrong tree --the demographic who will buy the GT-R will not care ONE BIT about it's chassis code --already, stateside, Infiniti "incorrectly" calls the Skyline a "G35." the only technical reference in that designation is the "35" part --3.5L. the "G" is bogus. so ALREADY, they have begun to "hide" the car's technical traits from consumers.
for example, if you say "i have an S14," most people who will be able to buy the new GTR will have NO IDEA what you are talking about. even the same here: you say "i have a V35 GT 350," and MOST people who will be able to buy the new GTR will have no idea what that is. so i doubt Infiniti will call the GT-R by it's proper chassis code. why? -nobody will care.
09-16-2005, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bonzelite
if the monocoque chassis of the 2007/08 GTR is not based upon the current FM plaftorm, it will not be called "V35" as that already exists with the V35 GT350 Skyline.
if anything, they may drop the series designations of 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, and call it something else. or they will call it "....36."
maybe!
if anything, they may drop the series designations of 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, and call it something else. or they will call it "....36."
maybe!
instead, i said "FM platform," when i should have said "chassis": there is a difference. and i will explain that in the Arcane thread later.
09-17-2005, 08:48 AM
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Only problem i see in the artical Sean doesn't own RB he just works with them and sells cars from time to time. Jack actually owns it.
I don't under stand how Kyle had some much trouble getting his titled. I had mine titled in Ohio a year before his so it should have been no problems.
I don't under stand how Kyle had some much trouble getting his titled. I had mine titled in Ohio a year before his so it should have been no problems.
09-26-2005, 06:13 PM
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rumors?
Ok, now i've read that article before, and I've heard some rumors. I wonder if anyone on here can put them to rest. I've heard that Motorex is no longer importing skylines until they have gotten rid of their overstock. True or False? I have also heard that motorex will not import any more skylines into the US, period. True or False? Now, I haven't heard much about RB Motoring. I do know that I haven't been able to get any email response from either company concerning their skyline importation. No, I haven't called them b/c I am not going to be close to being able to even afford a skyline until mid-late '06 at the earliest. I'm just trying to do my homework. If anyone has any feed back, drop me a line please. I would like to know about how long it took from start up to delivery. Also, were there any snags I should be made aware of? The other question I have about the skyline is, what are insurance premiums like? I know the car get's labeled as 'grey market' or 'exotic', I was just wondering what a ballpark figure in price difference might be. 
09-27-2005, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by shadz
Ok, now i've read that article before, and I've heard some rumors. I wonder if anyone on here can put them to rest. I've heard that Motorex is no longer importing skylines until they have gotten rid of their overstock. True or False? I have also heard that motorex will not import any more skylines into the US, period. True or False? Now, I haven't heard much about RB Motoring. I do know that I haven't been able to get any email response from either company concerning their skyline importation. No, I haven't called them b/c I am not going to be close to being able to even afford a skyline until mid-late '06 at the earliest. I'm just trying to do my homework. If anyone has any feed back, drop me a line please. I would like to know about how long it took from start up to delivery. Also, were there any snags I should be made aware of? The other question I have about the skyline is, what are insurance premiums like? I know the car get's labeled as 'grey market' or 'exotic', I was just wondering what a ballpark figure in price difference might be.
They can legalize what cars they have here or had on the way here before they lost there R.I. Something in the ball park of 25 or so. There are about 10-15 are already paid for. What's in the U.S. is it sorry.
Now RBmotoring get's there cars through MotoRex they have a few legal ones for sale now. Sean used to work for MotoRex he helped Hiro start it. RB is a R.I. and is working on getting certified but the DOT is giving Sean a hard time now.
The whole process takes a while because MotoRex drags there feet big time took me about 6-8 months to get mine. I know of people that have been waiting for a year for there's.
Insurance: If you have more than 2 tickets forget about it no 1 will insure you. If you under 21 forget about it too.
Most places will insure it as a stated value vehicle call AAA, or American Family or Farmers. Make sure you read the fine print though because most places won't cover aftermarket parts. I pay 2,400 a year between my 95 GT-R and my 99 F-250 full coverage and 500 deductiable,